I don't get it anymore

"Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder" (pabuuu4) 06/20/2014 at 19:16 • Filed to: None

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When I post pictures of stanced cars, people will say that it a shame taht the car now cannot perform like it should (handling, speed), and people said that stance would be ok if it was done on cars where those things don't matter.

Then I post a picture of a stanced prius, a car not known for its excellent handling or sport car abilities, and people still lose their shit.

See for yourself

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can somebody explain this?

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:18

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Apart from rare cases where they are extremely well thought out these cars are dangerous. I always refer people to this http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl… as it displays my feelings pretty well. So yeah even on economy cars performance can be affected.

PheeNoIVI > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:19

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I don't think a car should ever be "stanced". But should be set up for whatever the car is meant for. Over the top stance for looks just looked dumb. At least to me.

E92M3 > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:21

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But if you posted this they would rejoice!

Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder > E92M3 06/20/2014 at 19:24

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For some reason it looks like everyone likes the hot rot and rat rod scene.

I think it is because these cars are owned by an older crowd, that have more money so they can do thing the proper, but expensive way.

I still like the stance scene more for some reason..

Pitchblende > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:25

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This is the Internet, if someone does not care for something, he will tell you so in expletive ridden capitals and with as many exclamation marks as he thinks representative of his over-inflated ire. Its the law.

Manuél Ferrari > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:27

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It probably did impact the car's fuel economy negatively, and good MPGs are that car's whole purpose.

Would be better if done to a Camry. The Camry has no purpose other than moving people around in the most boring and lifeless way possible. Maybe the lower ride height would help wake Camry drivers up.

E92M3 > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:29

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I'm not fond of either to be honest. They both make a car worse and impractical IMHO. I guess airbags do allow you to lift it back up and drive it. To each their own though.

stoke > E92M3 06/20/2014 at 19:30

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Well, at least with a live axle out back you don't really lose anything by slamming a truck, at least from a suspension geometry standpoint (leaving out travel, of course).

dogisbadob > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:34

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People hate on the Prius, and people hate on tha stance, so naturally people will hate on the stance Prius :p

Textured Soy Protein > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:40

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I didn't really even care about that Prius, so perhaps allow me to explain my dislike of stance, in a way that makes sense:

Stance makes cars look broken .

Stancebros see some wheels with big lips on them and tires that barely sorta kinda stretch to cover the rim, and think, "that looks great." I see them and think, "the rim's not supposed to stick out from the tire like that, and that tire isn't going to grip the road like it should."

Stancebros see a car slammed down to the ground and think, "that looks great." I see that and think, "car suspensions need some room to move up and down to actually work, and good luck getting up a driveway."

This is the case whether it's a Prius or an Exige.

To me, the "you took a good-handling car and fucked up the handling" argument is an extension of this. It could be stated another way, "you took a good-handling car that I like because of how well it handles, and fucked up the thing I like about it."

So personally, I'd rather see a stancebro do his dumbass shit to a Prius, a car that I don't like anyway, than an Exige. Which means that while I think that Prius looks pretty damned idiotic, and not in a good way, it just doesn't bother me as much. Partly because so many Prius drivers piss me off on the road, and I'm sure if many of them saw this Prius they'd say "you took a car with great fuel economy and fucked up the fuel economy."

But that doesn't make the stanced Prius look any less broken.

Manuél Ferrari > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 06/20/2014 at 19:40

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Interesting article. People should install carbon monoxide detecters in stanced cars, lol

E92M3 > stoke 06/20/2014 at 19:42

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That's exactly it. If you can't pull in your driveway without dragging frame you've ruined your truck. Its like taking a plane and chopping the wings off.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:48

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With stance, you are walking a line. You can stance without affecting handling, but the perception is so great that that fact doesnt matter

mcseanerson > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:52

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It's the camber and the tire/wheel setup. Lowering a car, especially one that's not a sports car, until it is scraping doesn't bug me that much. All that being said I see nothing wrong with doing it to a prius. I'd like it even better if the guy tried to say it made more emm pee gees

Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder > Manuél Ferrari 06/20/2014 at 19:59

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Here is a Camry.

Manuél Ferrari > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 19:59

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I like it!

Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder > Manuél Ferrari 06/20/2014 at 20:02

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You didn't ask for it, but here are some more

Manuél Ferrari > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 20:05

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It makes boring Camrys less boring. And totally works since their official slogan is "Grounded to the Ground"

If someone can buy this 458 for me I'll gladly deal with all the hate I'll get:

tromoly > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 21:05

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Stancing a car affects the suspension geometry due to the lowering / intense cambering, that's where the handling comment comes from.

Rico > Manuél Ferrari 06/20/2014 at 21:27

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You know that Jalop card we gave you?

Manuél Ferrari > Rico 06/20/2014 at 21:34

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LOL

I just hate the regular Camry so stancing it seems like an provement. And that one isn't laying on the floor. Just slightly stanced doesn't seem terrible to me. But scraping on the floor is dangerous.

Plus I never got my Jalop card in the first place... I have 3 cars but only one has El Manuél. The other two have flappy paddles that actuate the clutch :o

Rico > Manuél Ferrari 06/20/2014 at 21:49

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Lol I'm just fucking with you. I just think if you want to make a Camry any better put some nice wheels on it, decent tires and maybe a slightly better exhaust (not something obnoxious that most JDM folks fall for) and call it a day.

Without trying to be rude to the OP when I see stanced cars I laugh and shake my head at how incredibly lame it looks. I've always felt this way all my life. If you want to lower your car a bit that's fine but when it gets obnoxious, with the wheels tilted outward it looks like hot garbage.

By my house there is an Infiniti FX35 that is soo stanced that from the rear it looks like a hatch/wagon and not a CUV at all. It's so awful that I'm afraid to even take a picture of it for fear of breaking my phone but I'll risk it next time I see it.

As far as your Jalop card I've got a C300 with Touch Shift/Tiptronic which means I've got BOTH!!1!

spanfucker retire bitch > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 21:50

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If it makes you feel better, I think stance sucks ass, no matter what vehicle it's done on.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/20/2014 at 22:01

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I'll try to bridge this a little. I think stanced cars look ok. I think they express their owner's vibe and that's cool. I've hung with guys that build donks and they are creative and cool too.

However, the hate you keep feeling is because while donks are, well redonkulous. They drive like shit and they look like they drive like shit. In that, they are honest.

Stance, for people how know handling and intent, looks dishonest. Most of them ride pretty badly. Maybe the owner can tolerate it, but they skitter, they don't handle.

If you go to the racetrack, the cars are slammed to the ground to keep air from flowing under the body making lift. A stance car is slammed because it looks cool.

A racecar with road car camber will viciously destroy the outer edge of the tire so they use massive camber so the most effective part of the tread is aimed at the road during threshold corning. A stanced car has massive camber because it's slammed and the suspension geometry is fucked up.

A car at a tuner shop has a muffler tip big enough to hide a kitten because a smaller one chokes the engine at 450whp. A stanced car has a coffee can muffler, because.., I guess because it looks cool.

Back in the 90s, people put Super Dragon Hyper Samurai Combat body kits on their cars because they looked like DTM machines. These kits got attached to FWD Eclipses and mom's old Camry. Same thing.

In the 1980s, German tuners would put little wings and double bladed windshield wipers on their 200mph sports sedans because the factory ones would lift off the glass at 180mph. Minitruck drivers then had wings and triple bladed wipers. Usually in pink, or lime green to ANNOUNCE!- that they had triple wiper blades.

That's where the negative comments come from. It's the appearance of performance without the substance, or worse, in direct conflict with the substance.

For me, car culture is car culture. If people like it and don't act like douches, it's cool.

I still want to know if you turn the tires around once you wear the inner treads.

Manuél Ferrari > Rico 06/20/2014 at 22:03

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Haha it's funny cause I joke about never having received my Jalop card or having it revoked all the time.

Also funny - I haven't really seen any Stanced cars in real life. Maybe one or two max while driving so I didn't get a good look at them. Never been to a stance show, known someone with a stanced car, or seen one parked in a parking lot.

LOL stanced SUVs are wagons. Just like most CUVs are just wagons that were un-stanced :)

Rico > Manuél Ferrari 06/20/2014 at 22:20

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If I had a dash cam I'd have a stanced montage, I almost always see it when I'm driving.

When you see this FX35 you're going to want someone to hit it with an RPG lol, I'll make a post about it when I see it again.

Manuél Ferrari > Rico 06/20/2014 at 22:25

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Now I really want to see it!

707Miata > Textured Soy Protein 06/20/2014 at 23:56

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Wait... People stance Exiges? I don't have the heart to GIS one.

Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder > 707Miata 06/21/2014 at 07:26

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I posted this one earlier here on Oppo.

Textured Soy Protein > 707Miata 06/21/2014 at 10:37

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I only know about it because mr. Pabuuu, Defender of stance, has already posted one .

oldestyoungn > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/22/2014 at 14:42

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I have to agree with the other person who said they dislike it because of it's dishonest feel. I'm like that about a lot of things with cars now that I realize what it is that made me not like parts of cars.

Then again I like some things just because it looks cooler. For example: trunk lid lip spoilers and yellow fog lights.

I get that a mild stance helps with handling and appreciate that, but being a person who doesn't like the look and feels it hurts the car I just cannot get into it. I don't go losing my shit over it though so there's that at least.

Acceptable.

Unacceptable.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/22/2014 at 15:10

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People just love to hate things they don't understand. It's human nature. Don't feel bad, it's not your fault. I would love if you keep posting pictures of stanced cars.

MountainCommand > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/22/2014 at 16:37

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Ive given up on trying to defend stance... I personally find it pretty interesting and awesome. And im sure youre on the same page. But people are just too locked in. There is so much other crap out there that flies under the radar. Stance is taking the flack pretty heavily.

So i say just post away and let the haters waste their time complaining about cars they will never own or drive. And i dont know exactly why i felt the need to make this reply either. But ive already typed it out..

Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder > oldestyoungn 06/22/2014 at 17:57

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I think that you grow into it. Like with music.

Funny story about that second picture, the Celica. It was made as a joke to see how extreme he could go, but it was taken seriously by a lot of people, wich was not the meaning of it.

It got so much attention, the guy became a local celebrity.

He kept it this way and even had a custom bodykit made.

oldestyoungn > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 06/22/2014 at 19:25

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That's actually a pretty cool story.

Click the "Unacceptable" link though and I don't think all of them have that type of story.